Phil Stutz & Elise Loehnen Share Tools For Inner Well-being, How To Embrace Pain, Uncertainty & Constant Work As Divine Invitations, & Why Everything You’re Avoiding Will Transform Your Life

Listen to this episode from The Rich Roll Podcast on Spotify. Phil Stutz is the legendary psychiatrist, author, and protagonist in the Netflix documentary “Stutz.” Alongside co-author and writer Elise Loehnen, they explore their new book “True & False Magic.”   This conversation delves into “Part X”—the destructive force within us all—along with Universe 1 vs. Universe 2 thinking, and how pain, uncertainty, and constant work serve as unavoidable portals to growth. Together, they present actionable tools and a profound spiritual framework for living fully.   Along the way, Phil illustrates concepts with hand-drawn diagrams, while Elise translates these insights into everyday practice.    Their complementary wisdom offers a rare treasure—an invitation to a more expansive way of being. Enjoy!   Show notes + MORE Watch on YouTube Newsletter Sign-Up   Today’s Sponsors: iFit: Use the code RICHROLL to get 10% off any purchase of $999+ 👉NordicTrack.com/richroll On: High-performance shoes & apparel crafted for comfort and style 👉on.com/richroll  Bon Charge: Get 15% OFF all my favorite wellness products w/ code RICHROLL 👉 boncharge.com                  AG1: Get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free AG1 Travel Packs 👉drinkAG1.com/richroll         Squarespace: Use the code RichRoll to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain 👉Squarespace.com/RichRoll   BetterHelp: Get 10% OFF the first month👉BetterHelp.com/richroll                            Check out all of the amazing discounts from our Sponsors 👉 richroll.com/sponsors   Find out more about Voicing Change Media at voicingchange.media and follow us @voicingchange