“It was never about justice”

Listen to this episode from Deadline: White House on Spotify. September 24th, 2025, 5pm: Last night, a Democratic win in the Arizona special election all but confirmed House Republicans will have to go on the record on releasing the Epstein files. Nicolle Wallace, with our political and legal experts, examine how the Epstein scandal has reached a near unavoidable level for Trump. Plus, she and our panel discuss California Governor Gavin Newsom calling on Democrats to address the “crisis of men and boys” and fight back against the Trump administration.For more, follow us on Instagram @deadlinewhTo listen to this show and other MSNBC podcasts without ads, sign up for MSNBC Premium on Apple Podcasts. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.