Defender (@defenderofbasic)

I agree!! This is the key part for me: > they have the view because it's what the kind of people they see as good people in their community say There's a couple of concrete changes I've made given this: (1) If I want to change someone's mind about topic X, it HAS to be reframed so that agreeing with it doesn't make you leave your tribe. Like, on AA, I can do this by telling someone that hey, I'm on your side, I want a fair playing field etc, but what if there was a more effective way to do it? We want to win/solve this problem, we're the good guys here after all, so here's a study that they did to show why this works better... etc (this is already what political parties do, every new position has to come with a narrative about why it fits this tribe's story) (2) Give up on trying to change people's minds if they are not in my tribe. They won't listen to me, no matter how rational or logical the arguments are. THIS IS A GOOD THING for society. People trust people that are in their tribe, they don't trust outsiders. Because you can use reason & logic to mislead people. So it makes sense to NOT trust people even if they are convincing, from outside your tribe. Instead, I focus on criticizing/improving/changing the minds of my own tribe. You focus on yours. We all do what's best for ourselves, which in the long term tends to be cooperation and not war.